Commenter Rico (who stopped by yesterday) had the following to say on the comment section of the blog post linked yesterday -Why Won’t My Wife Have Sex With Me?:
You know what’s sad? The fact that only twice a month is considered “not terrible”… it might even be “average”, but you know what else is “average” these days? Being overweight. Being thousands of dollars in debt. ”Average” is nothing to crow about.
This was in response to a wife rationalizing that she had a decent sex life at twice per month and her husband should be happy about that. I had to unpack this a bit and dig deeper as to what was “average”, especially since this blog is entitled “Average Married Dad”. Based on my findings presented below, at one point I probably was pretty close to “average” in many of these items, but have fought my way out of this with teamwork and perseverance At this stage in my life, I am not “average”, will never settle for “average” again and will always promote a higher standard of life conditions for my wife and children. We end up average because we just go through life like we’re on a raft floating down the river, not really trying to be like this and not realizing there’s a better way to do things or better way to BE. While the findings here were unsurprising, it doesn’t mean it has to be like this.
Sex:
The Table provided below courtesy The Kinsey Institute and the National Survey of Sexual Health and Behavior (NSSHB). Findings from the National Survey of Sexual Health and Behavior, Centre for Sexual Health Promotion, Indiana University. Journal of Sexual Medicine, Vol. 7, Supplement 5.
- Frequency of P in V sex (men) – Sample Size 2,396
Unfortunately I couldn’t get access to the data of the study, but if we make the broad assumption that the age groups are equally represented and focus on men from 25 to 49 (as this is the demographic I’m aiming towards in my writings), then 67% of men (that’s 2 out of 3 people) in this bracket have sex AT MOST once per week. To find what the average married sexual frequency is, I need to make some additional assumptions I used the following (educated guesses):
- Not in the Past Year = 0
- A few Times per Year to Monthly = 7.5 per year
- A few Times per Month to Weekly = 3 per month
- 2-3 times per week = 2.5 per week
- 4 or more times per week = 4.5 per week
Plugging it into my supercomputer, I come up with an average of 1.3 times per week. This is skewed by the top 1/3 as well as those in the 25-29 age group. If you leave just the 30-49 age groups, that average number drops to an even 1.0 times per week (with my assumptions) with a distribution as noted below (click to make larger). So nearly 50% of 30-49 year old men have sex a “few” times per month to monthly (2 – 4 times per month), 7% not once in the past year and that nebulous “few” times per year to monthly (1-12 times per year) is at 16%. In total this is 73% of married men in this group. While every couple and individual is different in what constitute an adequate intimacy frequency, my opinion is that nearly 3 out of 4 men are getting laid less than they’d like.
While in the interest of brevity I won’t get into the women’s version of this table, but across the board they are shifted down to less frequent P in V sex than men for each age demographic though only by a few percentage points. This is likely accounted for by men marrying younger women.
So there’s what you get to shoot for to have “average” sex frequency according to this study (and Kinsey Institute is highly regarded in this arena).
Health:
According to various sources such as the CDC, two-thirds of Americans are overweight or obese and the “average” american is 23 pounds over their ideal body weight. It’s normal to be fat in this country, and the hamsters are acting like it’s the way it always was. They’ve been resizing women’s clothing for years so that they don’t feel so fat. Says this New York Times article:
Over the years, many brands have changed measurements so that a woman who previously wore a 12 can now wear a 10 or an 8, a practice known as “vanity sizing.”
In men’s clothes, the dimensions are usually stated in inches; women’s clothing involves more guesswork.
Oh, but it’s ok, because our idea of an “ideal” weight is also changing. This article states:
Not only has the average woman’s weight increased, so has our perception of what our ideal weight should be, which has increased almost 10 pounds over 20 years, jumping from 129 pounds to 138 pounds. The same survey found that even though the average woman weighs 30 pounds more than the “ideal weight” of 1990, over half of men and women think their weight is “about right.”
Delusional is what we are as a society. So if you’re “average”, you’re a good 23 pounds overweight and seeing yourself as the perfect weight. Congratulations on being heavier than you should be!
And let’s not forget exercise, we suck as a country. Check out this graphic from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Of this data, 30% of those stated “walking” was the exercise can’t find too much wrong there, walking is good. Second at 13.1% was weightlifting. Good! third at 12.7% was cardiovascular equipment (dreadmills that type of thing – get outside people
). Then dropping off precipitously with swimming, running basketball and golf rounding out the top 7.
A 2011 Gallup poll stated that about 30% of adults didn’t do any exercise, 19% did 1-2 days per week with the remainder(52%) doing 3 or more days per week. So the “average” exercises maybe twice per week. I thought it would be worse, but if you think walking twice per week is enough, I believe you’re sorely mistaken. Walking twice per week and weightlifting and/or sprinting and/or some running/playing games with the kids that twice per week is a better place to be.
Finances:
The average family household had a median income in 2011 (est.) of $62,273 according to US Census numbers.
Let’s assume for a moment that home ownership (and mortgage debt) is a long term good thing, and also, let’s make a giant leap of faith that that degree from Big University hanging on your wall will get used to pay your student loans incurred. This leaves the primary “bad” debt I’d like to focus on: Credit Cards.
The average credit card debt per household was nearly $16,000 in 2011 (source). But there’s actually good news here. In 2007, only 46% of U.S. families had credit card debt, though I’d guess that has increased due to the recession. Balances are declining as people are being more careful. The bad news is that based on the “average” CC debt, those who are in debt are in debt by a lot. Ouch. It takes a lot of hard work to get out of that mess and back on even ground. Holly and I, after years of shuffling and incurring college and early-mid 20′s debt while not making a whole lot of money are only recently in the black. That is going to be one of the key things we teach our children.
Random thoughts and other information:
The Average man is 34.4 years old, married with two kids, sleeps 7 hours on a work night, can bench press (one time) 160 lbs, do one pull-up, doesn’t belong to a gym (only 12% of men do apparently), is 5’9″, 175 lbs (According to this) and watches 35 hours of tv per week.
While you can’t peak behind the curtains, what I see from the”average” man and family seems to fit these stereotypes. Ray Romano in “Everybody Loves Raymond” seems to be pretty typical of what we as family men have become, except the real average man is fatter. Fortunately, my daily interactions and circle of friends are above average and that has a positive influence on my life as well. Danger and Play had a great post that’s since been taken down awhile back about hanging out with quality people and losing those that bring you down.
Let’s not celebrate “Average”. Let’s all strive to be more than the norm and bring that average up to something not so sad.



Great post man! And great comment by Rico, I couldn’t agree more.
Since when is average something to strive for?
Fantastic post! Gonna reblog this in a day or two, if you don’t mind. The sex statistics are particularly eye opening.
Not at all, feel free to do what you need to! I too thought the stats were interesting.
That comment was motivated by a discussion with my wife last weekend. About once a month, she goes out with her group of church lady friends to the neighborhood Mexican restaurant, they get a pitcher of margaritas and talk about sex all evening. Then she comes home and tells me what they talked about.
So last weekend she comes home, and says that aside from one nympho wife and her lucky husband, we’re having sex more frequently than the rest of the couples at church. One wife said she hasn’t sexed up her husband in months. Yet I know that guy would kill himself to support his family. (He needs the red pill badly, but I don’t know him well enough yet to point him in the right direction – working on it).
Anyway, my response to all this was simply “That’s sad.” She didn’t disagree – the frequency and quality of our sex life has been an area we have been working on over the past couple of years, but there’s still lots of room for improvement.
In our peer group, we may even be seen as “above average” in that respect – but it’s too easy to compare yourself to the worst of the worst and say “Well, we’re doing OK in comparison.” And after hearing those personal stories, as well as reading some of the Greek tragedies over on the MMSL board, I do feel fortunate, all things considered. But I don’t want any aspect of my personal life – particularly my marriage – to be average or above average. I want it to be GREAT. I want our peers to look at my wife and I and say “Now *that’s* the kind of marriage I want to have.”
Great comments Rico. You’re thoughts are the same as mine in this department. Occasionally Holly will sometimes try and take the focus away from us and try and compare us against other as some justification for certain behaviors. I always say that other’s relationship dynamics have no impact on how ours should be, and I want our relationship to be an example for others (or GREAT as you say). Finding that balance in the middle where both parties are happy is the hard part.
Since I took the Red Pill, things have gone from “just above average” to “what the hell are you doing to me?” in the course of less than six months. All good. All positive. I used to see once-a-week as generous. Now I see it as weak. Best yet, she’s gotten used to it. If we go more than a few days she’ll start bugging me about it.
Such a great post. More people need to see stats and information like this. Looking back on many of the years of our marriage I cringe that we ever settled for average. The last two years have been focused on going above average to great. What we’re living right now is too good to ever consider going back and we’re not even close to getting to where we want to be yet. The thing is, once you get into the groove of living a good life and taking care of yourself it becomes second nature, automatic; why is this difficult to understand? I was there once so I know, but now we’re trying to set a better example to our children and others around us. It’s definitely been noticed.
Aww, we’re just average…just kidding**snicker**
This is a really great post. I enjoyed reading it. I cannot believe the average and it’s really sad. I hope that you spread the news and people make changes, we need it! : )
Great post! I remember when we were doing the whole fertility gauntlet and the docs whipped out this “sex frequency” stats chart and the Mrs immediately blurts out “Wow you’re a really lucky guy! We do it way more than this.” To which I respond: “Yeah I’ve trained you well babe. But keep in mind these folks in the average range are also part of the average stats for divorce. I’m glad we’re not average because average sucks.”
I’m forever in awe of how many couples use the word average to use as a benchmark for success. How ridicuous is that? If your kid did nothing but ever turn C’s, which is average, most parents would have a fit, hire tutors, hire counselors, increase discipline and spend tremendous amounts of time to fix it. Yet when it comes to their standards for their own relationship they accept “average”.
Great response Geoff. I love the “all C’s” analogy.
I love this post – it gives a label to use for me & the Mrs’ sex frequency — “A few Times per Year to Monthly”. I had to chuckle (in a sad, average kind of way) at the number you calculated for that category (7.5 per year) because that is EXACTLY the number of times we had some form of sex last year. How did I come up with a fractional number, you ask? I calculated full-on PiV intercourse (both of us satisfied) as 1 each (=4) + .5 for each time she ‘finished’ and I didn’t (for reasons like daughter walking in on us (yes, fixed that damn lock the next day), or she says I’m hurting her, or she tried to finish me off with a HJ and I had to stop it b/c SHE was hurting ME). 7 of those events x .5 = 3.5 + 4 PiV = 7.5.
So now, the next time someone asks me “How’s yer love life?” I’ll say “We are statistically significant!”